Rules.

[FullMetal]

Back on topic.

Since we're sort of on the topic of rules...

People are slayed for RDM way too often. TTT is a game of suspicion, not proof. If you have solid proof, good for you. It's the traitors' own fault for not disposing of it properly. Otherwise, you should deduct who is the traitor through other evidence, such as not seeing someone for a while, or finding a burn mark where someone came from.

RDM shouldn't be "an innocent killed an innocent". That HAS to happen. The traitors should MAKE it happen. People should be able to take risks, that can be a benefit for both the innocent and the traitors, depending on how they take advantage of this. If I would define RDM, it would be "Killing with no reason to suspect them", "abusing killing people with minimal suspicion", and "Killing a detective". And, in some cases, "killing a person who has proved himself to be innocent, and confirmed to be innocent by a detective."

Admins and players often fail to see things from the other person's perspective. Things that look very suspicious to some, look innocent to others. For instance, I recently attacked two people, because to me it looked like they both came from the direction of an unidentified body that was killed a few seconds ago (although they took different paths). I accused them both (correctly) as traitors and killed both. However, one of the traitors (who was an admin, I can't recall who), said I RDMed because he was nowhere near the fight, and didn't even see the body. That's probably true. The thing is, people shouldn't be so quick to judge on what ACTUALLY happened, they should look at things from another perspective.

TL;DR

People are too quick to accuse people of RDM. TTT is a game of suspicion, not proof. RDM should only be for truly random killing without reason to suspect someone, killing detectives, or killing people repeatedly with minimal suspicion. Otherwise, let the game be played how it's meant to be: abusing the innocent's lack of knowledge of who's innocent and who's not.

Admins have logs and we can follow them to help us.
I myself only jail/slay in the next round after i look at the logs.


The best thing we should do to not get rdm is this.

If you want to kill someone and you think you have proof do it.
If they ask, explain your reason and if they still kill you, look at the logs.
If the person was not a T, ask a admin to ask the guy why did he kill "The guy" when he had a reason.

The rules are good, but we should all post on what we think should change or not be changed.

[KScorp]

If the person was not a T, ask a admin to ask the guy why did he kill "The guy" when he had a reason..

This is an outlook I don't like. Why does it matter if they killed a T or not? If they killed an innocent, maybe they were simply misled. Maybe they took a chance on some suspicions they had and failed. Maybe a T tricked them. Maybe they DID kill without any reason.

Why is there a difference between killing a T and killing an innocent? They didn't have any knowledge of what the person was before hand (unless they had some lucky "solid proof") so it shouldn't be treated differently. If I see someone standing in a room with an unidentified body, I'm going to shoot them. This can apply to a variety of different situations. Why does it matter if they were actually a T or not?

[FullMetal]

This is an outlook I don't like. Why does it matter if they killed a T or not? If they killed an innocent, maybe they were simply misled. Maybe they took a chance on some suspicions they had and failed. Maybe a T tricked them. Maybe they DID kill without any reason.

Why is there a difference between killing a T and killing an innocent? They didn't have any knowledge of what the person was before hand (unless they had some lucky "solid proof") so it shouldn't be treated differently. If I see someone standing in a room with an unidentified body, I'm going to shoot them. This can apply to a variety of different situations. Why does it matter if they were actually a T or not?

You completely missed what i said..


Guy #1 is IN
Guy #2 is IN
So if guy 1 kills guy 2 without saying anything, next round guy 2 can request the admin ask guy 1 what proof did he have.

All im saying is you should at least have a reason to kill as IN and if a admin or player asks why did you kill him, just tell them why.

Its not that hard, all i do is tell them my reason and if he was a IN, i would explain to them next round and that im sorry.

Not that hard

If I see someone standing in a room with an unidentified body, I'm going to shoot them. This can apply to a variety of different situations. Why does it matter if they were actually a T or not?

Um in this situation, the guy that's still alive should explain why the guy is dead.
Or you should at least ask why is he dead, but yes you should kill him but if the guy was smart he should search the body and explain what happened.

[KScorp]

I agree with you. I'm just pointing out that if an innocent kills a traitor, people generally assume there was proof, but if an innocent kills an innocent, people assume there was none.

It just gets annoying (but sometimes necessary) to ask "Why did you kill him?" several times each round.

[cakeshark]

yeah ive been kicked/banned for shit that was not rdm. i had a genuine reason to suspect that person and deem them a deadly threat. the worst happens when you kill a traitor on a deep suspicion. apparently you have to wait for a traitor to shoot at you or someone else before you can kill them - according to some. which i think is silly. sometimes you dont have time to bring the traitor to court and convict them with witnesses.




oh and if you walk in to a room with an unID'd body - you dont have time to ask the person in there why they haven't ID'd that body. chances are that person is a traitor and is gonna kill you the second they see you.

[FullMetal]

yeah ive been kicked/banned for shit that was not rdm. i had a genuine reason to suspect that person and deem them a deadly threat. the worst happens when you kill a traitor on a deep suspicion. apparently you have to wait for a traitor to shoot at you or someone else before you can kill them - according to some. which i think is silly. sometimes you dont have time to bring the traitor to court and convict them with witnesses.




oh and if you walk in to a room with an unID'd body - you dont have time to ask the person in there why they haven't ID'd that body. chances are that person is a traitor and is gonna kill you the second they see you.

well shit happens.
Just stick to explaning your kills

[rokart]

Also, for those rdm victims out there, try not to get too pissed off. Laugh it off if u can but raging against people who u thought rdmed u is not gonna solve anything. If u or others were rdmed multiple times by the same person, just talk to an admin.

[SoulKeeper]

Traitors don't have seeall, they can't tell when there's a body near them- nor does the person solidly know that they came from. Though, this is generally legit. Except for the scorch mark, it can be caused by exploding barrels, gas cans, and of course flairs. And it stays there, I could burn a body at the start and you'd kill someone 2 minutes until the end of the round for it.

inb4 "he lok at me funi"

Walking in on someone who didn't ID a body- kill.

Asking someone why they're injured and they don't answer/ don't have a good answer- kill. (If they say they were randomly shot, kill them)

Hearing gunshots from an area and someone walks away with the same weapon- try and get there, if they stick to the path and cautiously examine you kill.

Someone "aiming" at you- don't kill.

ext ext

[Bad Dog]

I like the whole Explain your kill. I suspect people, but I wont kill them until I get some proof. You dont have to wait for them to attack you, you just have to be able to back up your kill. Its not that hard, and I only punish for RDMing when its blatent and done multiple times.

Having said that, TTT IS CURRENTLY FINE, WE NEED NO RULE CHANGES ATM, PLEASE LEAVE IT BE. THE ADMINS WHO ARE ON DAILY (Me, Potshot, Spartan, ect..) KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND ENFORCE THE RULES WHEN NEED BE.

[FullMetal]

I like the whole Explain your kill. I suspect people, but I wont kill them until I get some proof. You dont have to wait for them to attack you, you just have to be able to back up your kill. Its not that hard, and I only punish for RDMing when its blatent and done multiple times.

Having said that, TTT IS CURRENTLY FINE, WE NEED NO RULE CHANGES ATM, PLEASE LEAVE IT BE. THE ADMINS WHO ARE ON DAILY (Me, Potshot, Spartan, ect..) KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND ENFORCE THE RULES WHEN NEED BE.

Ha forgetting me.
Red= So true.