Aimbot's in Zombie Mod

[krazykarl]

So this is in reference to a couple players, and before any demo's are recorded or complaints issued I wanted to open up some discussion.

1. Why would anyone need to aimbot in Zombie Mod? I mean seriously, burst fire, aiming, and not sucking will beat a noob with an aimbot every day of the week, not to mention it does no good once you get tagged.

2. I have noticed some very peculiar behavior from some regulars on Napalm when spectating for extended periods of time. Jerkiness when firing the first shot, as well as some interesting recoil patterns.

3. I have stood on a few of said players heads and experienced what could best be described as "vibration" or shaking. From my experience this is definitive proof of someone using an aimbot/antirecoil, however I am no expert and leave that for you all to tell me.

I probably have one of the highest playtimes on Napalm and being that aimbot is relatively harmless to me in my playstyle I haven't brought it up earlier. This leads to point 4.

4. The culprits are regulars who play just as much as me if not more, however don't do nearly as well as myself in terms of kills and ranking, which to me shows that there really isn't harm in it. I'm not going to point fingers unless asked directly who I suspect because I'd like the community to tell me if aimbot is just tolerated because it's very very difficult to proove and enforce.

KrazyK

[Jimbo]

i can;t agree more karl aloutgh im not gonna mention any names i could think of a few off my head. Finally someone brings this out.

[Haggard]

We perm ban everyone who we beleive to be aimbotting, but we dont issue ban until a few eyes have seen the demo's and are 100% positive.

[Italian Jew]

If you have evidence, great. Show it and the perpetrators can be removed. If not, then you just seem like a crazy whack job mad at the regulars for being better than you or something to that effect.

[Jimbo]

the sad thing is most of the regualrs who aim bot are worse than me..

[Tcp-Kill]

Well, to have an aimbot is sad on zombie

No recoil would help loads on zombie, and they're fairly easy to identify

[Astrum]

First let me say that hacks are almost always plainly obvious. You can be suspicious all you want but the evidence should be pretty damning if you suspect someone of hacking.

3. I have stood on a few of said players heads and experienced what could best be described as "vibration" or shaking. From my experience this is definitive proof of someone using an aimbot/antirecoil, however I am no expert and leave that for you all to tell me.

Unless ValvE comes out and says this is a viable test I'm going to call malarky on this one. Vibration while on another person's head would be caused by the physics engine, or more specifically the collision detection of the physics engine. Since I've never noticed any subtle movements while on someone's head I can only assume that the collision boundaries between players are static if not using movement keys, i.e. if only looking around with the mouse.

My best guess would be that the error term of the physics approximation is too high and the calculations are essentially garbage, but the engine uses them anyway; then in wonderful magical ways it manifests itself as a vibration.

Keep in mind that the server does these physics calculations, so if someone is dropping packets the server may not get enough data to make an accurate approximation, leading to the large error term.

This "definitive method" of detecting hackers sounds a bit like throwing someone in the lake with rocks tied to their feet and proclaiming they're a witch if they float. If you don't see them getting massive quantities of headshots which would statistically be improbable and you don't see them hitting the same spot over and over without careful burst control then this is absolutely not proof. Proof is direct observation, not a perceived "byproduct" which hacking introduces into the game.

4. The culprits are regulars who play just as much as me if not more, however don't do nearly as well as myself in terms of kills and ranking, which to me shows that there really isn't harm in it. I'm not going to point fingers unless asked directly who I suspect because I'd like the community to tell me if aimbot is just tolerated because it's very very difficult to proove and enforce.

If it's plainly obvious, which it almost always is, then ban. If it's hard to tell then either they have some skill or their hacks are actually working against them. Approximating human reaction is the exact opposite of what you want to do if your goal is to hack.

Honestly, if you suspect they're hacking then post demos and have the admins decide. Although given your criteria for detecting a hacker I'd have to say I'd be leery at best. I'm not trying to be rude, but I've seen many servers where suspicion turns into paranoia which turns into a witch hunt. I've seen it so many times that I will not accuse anyone of hacking unless it's plain as day. I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt than spread suspicion and slander/libel about someone who may just be a good player.

[krazykarl]

If you have evidence, great. Show it and the perpetrators can be removed. If not, then you just seem like a crazy whack job mad at the regulars for being better than you or something to that effect.

Well I'm not going to deny being a crazy whack job but your reasoning is flawed seeing as how I've held the top spot on Napalm for quite a while now, and no one is even close to me in points anymore.

The purpose of this thread was merely to figure out if its worth my time speccing and recording demos of those whom I suspect. From the tone of the responses I have my answer. Thanks!

KrazyK

[krazykarl]

Honestly, if you suspect they're hacking then post demos and have the admins decide. Although given your criteria for detecting a hacker I'd have to say I'd be leery at best. I'm not trying to be rude, but I've seen many servers where suspicion turns into paranoia which turns into a witch hunt. I've seen it so many times that I will not accuse anyone of hacking unless it's plain as day. I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt than spread suspicion and slander/libel about someone who may just be a good player.

This is the very reason I made a post and opened discussion instead of crying wolf.

If you read my initial post again, I do not believe that it affects me nor does it change the way I play. I wanted an honest answer as to if aimbotting is just tolerated because nowadays it is so difficult to proove without the shit turning into a "witch hunt" as you so eloquently stated.

I have my answer and thanks for the feedback! Back to the game!

KrazyK

[2fast]

i agree with karl aimbot is pointless