An entire mish-mash of things to debate.

[Hunt3r.j2]

1. The Federal Reserve has failed, central banking time and time again has failed.

2. The Federal Reserve actually CAUSED the Great Depression, by first spreading rumors about banks failing outside of the Fed Reserve, causing huge withdrawals, and after that, they decided to shrink the money supply.

3. Once they did that, they went ahead and decided that the gold standard was too dangerous to the Federal Reserve's Interest, and the Federal Reserve is just about as Federal as FedEx.

4. So the Federal Reserve's bankers decided to push a law, making it ILLEGAL to own gold as a currency, and this pushed us off the gold standard, where the dollar was redeemable in GOLD. Now, our money is "legal tender" which means it's fiat money, and is backed by thin air.

5. The African, North American, European, and Asian Union is not only outright stupid, it's very very VERY special interests based. In particular, the Constitution of the United States would be considered obsolete in the North American Union, making illegal immigration legal.

6. The government is now not only declaring illegal wars, which keep going perpetually, making the bankers richer, they have declared another war against us. Habeas Corpus is now no longer available if we are to be detained, lawyers cannot represent us if detained, they can outright spy on our lives, and also now the US gov. no longer needs a warrant to search your house or destroy you house.

7. War, war is great for bankers, since the defense contractors need to make money to stay up and running, so where is the money coming from? The Federal Reserve, who loans money to the government at INTEREST. This means that the bankers will constantly EARN money.

8. The Federal Income Tax is not consitutional, nor is it even stated as a law. And the money you pay doesn't even go back into government programs OR salaries, instead, it goes straight into the Federal Reserve's pockets.

[Italian Jew]

I think this guy is going to get pwned by Legal when he gets on...

[Hunt3r.j2]

I think this guy is going to get pwned by Legal when he gets on...

I bet I will be.

[Captain Colon]

Sounds like somebody is mad that the Ron Paul Revolution failed.


Yeah fuck central banking, I wish I had to exchange my currency every time I entered a new state. BRING BACK THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION!!!

2. The Federal Reserve actually CAUSED the Great Depression, by first spreading rumors about banks failing outside of the Fed Reserve, causing huge withdrawals, and after that, they decided to shrink the money supply.

Um what? The great depression was largely helped along by the economic theories at the time. Economists thought that the market would correct itself and that the impending recession was a necessary step towards that self-correction, so the Fed took no action to try and avert it (although even if they wanted to, it would've been difficult due to...*dundundun*...the gold standard!! Any kind of action on the feds part would've made it difficult or impossible for the U.S. to fulfill its contractual obligation to exchange gold with currency at a specified rate). So far aggressive action by the Fed has PREVENTED a serious downturn of our current economy.

3. Once they did that, they went ahead and decided that the gold standard was too dangerous to the Federal Reserve's Interest, and the Federal Reserve is just about as Federal as FedEx.

Show me an economist that DOESN'T believe the gold standard was responsible for engulfing the rest of the developed world in the depression after America fell inn and I'll show you an economist who was on the Paul campaign's payroll. All the evidence shows that the earlier a country abandoned the gold standard, the quicker it ended up recovering.

Do you know there currently isn't enough gold in the entire world to back the GDP of the U.S.?

4. So the Federal Reserve's bankers decided to push a law, making it ILLEGAL to own gold as a currency, and this pushed us off the gold standard, where the dollar was redeemable in GOLD. Now, our money is "legal tender" which means it's fiat money, and is backed by thin air.

Gold was "legal tender" under the gold standard too. If you're gonna try and use some kind of buzzword to make something sound worse than it is, at least pick the right one.

5. The African, North American, European, and Asian Union is not only outright stupid, it's very very VERY special interests based. In particular, the Constitution of the United States would be considered obsolete in the North American Union, making illegal immigration legal.

Oh god no, anything but legal immigration!!! NOW ALL THOSE ILLEGALS WILL BE ABLE TO BECOME CITIZENS AND PAY TAXES!111!1!!1!!!1

6. The government is now not only declaring illegal wars, which keep going perpetually, making the bankers richer, they have declared another war against us. Habeas Corpus is now no longer available if we are to be detained, lawyers cannot represent us if detained, they can outright spy on our lives, and also now the US gov. no longer needs a warrant to search your house or destroy you house.

Yeah those bankers are getting so rich that they're merging to avoid bankruptcy. Also the MCA does not apply to U.S. Citizens, in addition the Supreme Court ruled last year that the president did not have the authority to detain Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri (a legal resident but not a citizen) without charge, and that decision would presumably be the precedent for determining any future cases on the matter (Legal is the lawyer though, not me).

7. War, war is great for bankers, since the defense contractors need to make money to stay up and running, so where is the money coming from? The Federal Reserve, who loans money to the government at INTEREST. This means that the bankers will constantly EARN money.

Maybe you should learn how the Fed actually works. I'm pretty sure the only institutions they ever loan money to are private banks who are on the brink of bankruptcy, where their failure also harm the economy (for instance, if there was a huge national disaster that left half a state without homes or jobs...they'd have no way to pay back their mortgages and the banks would have nothing to repossess to make up the loss).

8. The Federal Income Tax is not consitutional, nor is it even stated as a law. And the money you pay doesn't even go back into government programs OR salaries, instead, it goes straight into the Federal Reserve's pockets.

Don't you mean the jews' pockets?


Summary: Boy, you need to get yourself some of them learnings. There's not even anything to debate, really...you're just downright wrong about almost everything.

Economists and lawyers, feel free to give me the learnings if I'm incorrect on anything...it's all to the best of my knowledge (which is not great) and that of a couple friends who are in finance.

[Italian Jew]

Watch the Jew comments...

[Captain Colon]

It was a facetious remark regarding the similarities between his comments and certain Zionist/New World Order conspiracy theories.

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/flas...internet-5.php

[Hunt3r.j2]

Sounds like somebody is mad that the Ron Paul Revolution failed.


Yeah fuck central banking, I wish I had to exchange my currency every time I entered a new state. BRING BACK THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION!!!


Um what? The great depression was largely helped along by the economic theories at the time. Economists thought that the market would correct itself and that the impending recession was a necessary step towards that self-correction, so the Fed took no action to try and avert it (although even if they wanted to, it would've been difficult due to...*dundundun*...the gold standard!! Any kind of action on the feds part would've made it difficult or impossible for the U.S. to fulfill its contractual obligation to exchange gold with currency at a specified rate). So far aggressive action by the Fed has PREVENTED a serious downturn of our current economy.


Show me an economist that DOESN'T believe the gold standard was responsible for engulfing the rest of the developed world in the depression after America fell inn and I'll show you an economist who was on the Paul campaign's payroll. All the evidence shows that the earlier a country abandoned the gold standard, the quicker it ended up recovering.

Do you know there currently isn't enough gold in the entire world to back the GDP of the U.S.?


Gold was "legal tender" under the gold standard too. If you're gonna try and use some kind of buzzword to make something sound worse than it is, at least pick the right one.


Oh god no, anything but legal immigration!!! NOW ALL THOSE ILLEGALS WILL BE ABLE TO BECOME CITIZENS AND PAY TAXES!111!1!!1!!!1


Yeah those bankers are getting so rich that they're merging to avoid bankruptcy. Also the MCA does not apply to U.S. Citizens, in addition the Supreme Court ruled last year that the president did not have the authority to detain Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri (a legal resident but not a citizen) without charge, and that decision would presumably be the precedent for determining any future cases on the matter (Legal is the lawyer though, not me).


Maybe you should learn how the Fed actually works. I'm pretty sure the only institutions they ever loan money to are private banks who are on the brink of bankruptcy, where their failure also harm the economy (for instance, if there was a huge national disaster that left half a state without homes or jobs...they'd have no way to pay back their mortgages and the banks would have nothing to repossess to make up the loss).


Don't you mean the jews' pockets?


Summary: Boy, you need to get yourself some of them learnings. There's not even anything to debate, really...you're just downright wrong about almost everything.

Economists and lawyers, feel free to give me the learnings if I'm incorrect on anything...it's all to the best of my knowledge (which is not great) and that of a couple friends who are in finance.

I really don't like backing my money on absolutely fucking nothing. Jeez, at least give something, hell make it backed by aluminum. The dollar ain't worth a continental. Also, Gold and Silver should be made legal tender, stop taxing it when you use it to pay for things.

[Italian Jew]

You can't walk around with gold in your pockets to pay for things

[Captain Colon]

I really don't like backing my money on absolutely fucking nothing. Jeez, at least give something, hell make it backed by aluminum. The dollar ain't worth a continental. Also, Gold and Silver should be made legal tender, stop taxing it when you use it to pay for things.

Why should gold and silver be made legal tender? What ECONOMIC purpose would that serve? Metal-backed currencies are notoriously inflexible which can be good in times of mild economic change, but is a death sentence during drastic changes. Fiat currency's relative worth makes it inherently self-stabilizing in patches of economic turbulence, thanks to globalization and the huge amount of interdependence amongst trading partners.

[Havok]

I think we should go back to ancient times and use blocks of lead, or perhaps salt as tender. xD

Seriously, though, the only thing I can be bothered to say right now is that one cannot rely on gold forever. It will lose it's worth. Simple supply and demand rules.