zriot_resistance

[Wall-Nut]

I've been working on a map that I hope can be added to our zriot server. In case you haven't figured out, the map is called zriot_resistance.

I still have a long way to go, but so far I've completed about 20-30% of my map. The layout is quite simple and straightforward. But I'm gonna need some help and ideas from SG. I will have screenshots soon.

The theme is urban streets, and the map requires pushing and defending to win. There are 3 levels, an underground tunnel, street level, and apartment level. The map is going to resemble Iamlegend a bit.

Screenshots: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198016549384/screenshot/578934843418419729?tab=public


Problem: I can't manage to find the explosive barrel prop, anyone know the name of it? [Resolved]

DOWNLOAD THE TESTMAP HERE: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AFT4K5SP

NEWER TESTMAP HERE: http://www.mediafire.com/?6zudv1ef6c51i5f

Trap barrels do 200 damage, 0 radius, and barrels explode when they hit the ground, and cannot be shot. Also fixed some floating cars. Underground barrels do 75 damage, 20 radius.

Map is now 70-80% done, just needs some fixing.

[Matt]

I hope this is what your looking for :P

http://www.gamebanana.com/tuts/7343

just to go game banana or google it. Good luck

[Wall-Nut]

I followed the tutorial, but the explosive barrel didn't show up.

I set the barrel as a prop_dynamic, put damage filter as 35, explosion damage as 75, and explosion radius as 10, is there something I'm doing wrong?

[high rws]

care to give a little information on the setting or whatever it's about? :)

[Matt]

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heres another tut and good luck. Your best of talking to Scoutkllr or even MPQC ill ask them and edit this.

Edit: OK Scoutkllr found it and here it is :D


models/props_c17/oildrum001_explosive.mdl

[Paralyzed]

You do know how to navigate bots through your map? As you need to get them working otherwise they'll just stand at where they spawn and not actually walk at all.

[HZK]

I followed the tutorial, but the explosive barrel didn't show up.

I set the barrel as a prop_dynamic, put damage filter as 35, explosion damage as 75, and explosion radius as 10, is there something I'm doing wrong?

First of all, use a prop_physics for a barrel. Second, what do you mean by damage filter? If you have actually put '35' in the damage filter key then it could have a bad effect. and a radius of 10 means you literally have to be next to it to get hit.

Can you take a screenshot of the entity options please.

[Wall-Nut]

Problem's been fixed, it had to be a prop_physics, not prop_dynamic, thanks.

[high rws]

Problem's been fixed, it had to be a prop_physics, not prop_dynamic, thanks.

i can't really judge the map considering you just started, but IMO you over did it with the cars. however i'd like to see how this comes out, it seems good

[Wall-Nut]

I think the cars might result in a nav file problem, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. And it's not going to be a while until I'm finished this map.

[HZK]

I'll make the nav file wall-nut, don't worry about that.

[Wall-Nut]

So I've been thinking about adding traps that can be used against zombies, but I don't know whether is will improve the map or make it worse, so I wanna hear some of your opinions.

Pros: Requires teamwork
Can save a group of humans if used wisely

Cons: There will be idiots who use the traps on teammates
Might make the map CT sided, which isn't as fun as zombie sided maps

[Wall-Nut]

New ss: Steam Community :: Wall-Nut! (Ballistophobic) :: Screenshots (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198016549384/screenshot/578935019335546253)

[high rws]

i don't like the trap idea for the same reasons you stated in cons, especially because of teamkilling

the map looks pretty good right now, but i hope you make it much darker [i realize it's not even close to done, so if you were going to forget this statement]

[HZK]

I would rather you make the trap trigger activated then it would be hard to teamkill and it could be a strategic part of the map.

[Wall-Nut]

i don't like the trap idea for the same reasons you stated in cons, especially because of teamkilling

the map looks pretty good right now, but i hope you make it much darker [i realize it's not even close to done, so if you were going to forget this statement]

I will make it much darker, don't worry. Also, the underground tunnels are pitch black.

[Wall-Nut]

I would rather you make the trap trigger activated then it would be hard to teamkill and it could be a strategic part of the map.

Will do.

[HZK]

Remember the skybox! Use the propper application I showed you on the skybox brushes; you'll get better fps(depending on complexity of map).

[high rws]

I will make it much darker, don't worry. Also, the underground tunnels are pitch black.

are you making like an escape map kind of thing? like 28 days later? or is it a defense map?

[minx_snipes]

Making maps looks really complicated O.O im not insulting another map for now on!

[Wall-Nut]

are you making like an escape map kind of thing? like 28 days later? or is it a defense map?

It's meant to be a pushing and defense map. I've never played 28 days later, so I have no clue what that is.

[high rws]

It's meant to be a pushing and defense map. I've never played 28 days later, so I have no clue what that is.

its like a defense map where after a certain amount of time you escape through this sewer system kind of thing. it's really cool

but don't stop your map just because the zriot server is down..it could be back

[HZK]

but don't stop your map just because the zriot server is down..it WILL be back

Fixed

[Wall-Nut]

Added an explosive barrel trap: Steam Community :: Wall-Nut! (Ballistophobic) :: Screenshots (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198016549384/screenshot/578935035182849329)

The plank will break if it's shot or a T touches the trigger. Humans are meant to shoot the barrels when they hit the ground, they will not explode when they hit the ground to prevent accidental human deaths.

[Wall-Nut]

DOWNLOAD MAP HERE: MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AFT4K5SP)

Please provide some feedback, because the map is not yet finished, just need some people to test out what I've done so far.

[HZK]

How much damage does each barrel do?

[Wall-Nut]

Newer version here: zriot_resistance_test.bsp (http://www.mediafire.com/?6zudv1ef6c51i5f)

Trap barrels now have 200 damage, 0 radius, and they explode when they hit the ground, and cannot be shot. Also fixed some floating cars. Underground barrels do 75 damage, 20 radius.

[high rws]

i'm gonna download and play just to test it out. if you want you can add me on steam and i'll tell you how it went


EDIT: Alright i just played it, and i thought it was pretty cool. I liked how some parts of the underground tunnel system were pitch black.

The only thing i would say to change is to spread the corpses around more, because it was kind of awkward how they were all in one spot.

[Wall-Nut]

Thanks for the feedback, but I need you to be more specific.

What exactly did you think was cool and what exactly do you think I should change? Also, I need people to test out the barrel trap, which can only be activated as a T.

And I will spread the corpses out.

[high rws]

Thanks for the feedback, but I need you to be more specific.

What exactly did you think was cool and what exactly do you think I should change? Also, I need people to test out the barrel trap, which can only be activated as a T.

And I will spread the corpses out.

Things i thought were cool:

1. How the lighting wasn't overly dark, it could be a bit darker, but it's pretty good as it is anyway.
2. How there was that underground subway/tunnel system that was pitch black

Things i thought can be changed/added [other than corpses]

1. Add alleyways or interiors of buildings
2. Make it more chaotic, fire, destroyed shit, blood, graffiti, etc

The barrel trap works btw, atleast one of them. When i ran under it, it collapsed.

If you need people to test just grab some zriot players like me or hunter [im sure he would love to help] and create a private server with hamachi or something, and we can all play

[Kratos]

pros:
i like the map is nice pretty open and looks well organized
its mirrored so you dont get lost i see
cons:
those barrels in the middle of the map on the bar?
then the down stairs it really dark and i really could not see much
also the zm bodies laying around they are kind just in the way



but this map i think is pretty good for first time and i would like to see it in rotation to see how well it would do with more players and the way the lvls are :D

[Wall-Nut]

pros:
i like the map is nice pretty open and looks well organized
its mirrored so you dont get lost i see
cons:
those barrels in the middle of the map on the bar?
then the down stairs it really dark and i really could not see much
also the zm bodies laying around they are kind just in the way



but this map i think is pretty good for first time and i would like to see it in rotation to see how well it would do with more players and the way the lvls are :D

The barrels are meant to be traps used against the zombies, try walking under it as a T, and watch what happens. :D
The tunnels were meant to be pitch black, to make it more fun.
I will try to spread the corpses out more.

[HZK]

YES, alleyways and debris are a must!

[Wall-Nut]

I will try to make alleyways, and by debris do you mean wrecked buildings and chunks of it lying on the ground?

[high rws]

I will try to make alleyways, and by debris do you mean wrecked buildings and chunks of it lying on the ground?

i think he means kind of like this

http://i52.tinypic.com/2u9sdmq.jpg

[Wall-Nut]

env_fire just doesn't seem to be showing up. I tested it in a small map and it still didn't work.

EDIT: Scratch that, I just forgot to tick a flag, lol.

[Wall-Nut]

Screenshot after I added fire to the cars: Steam Community :: Wall-Nut! (Jihadophobic) :: Screenshots (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198016549384/screenshot/578935035202082537)

[high rws]

Screenshot after I added fire to the cars: Steam Community :: Wall-Nut! (Jihadophobic) :: Screenshots (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198016549384/screenshot/578935035202082537)

you kinda overdid it haha

[HZK]

Screenshot after I added fire to the cars: Steam Community :: Wall-Nut! (Jihadophobic) :: Screenshots (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198016549384/screenshot/578935035202082537)

Use particle effect sparingly, they aren't good for FPS.

[Wall-Nut]

I will use less fire to improve FPS.

Also, I want to add blood onto the walls, but I just can't seem to figure out how, can anyone post a tutorial on how to paint blood onto walls?

[HZK]

I will use less fire to improve FPS.

Also, I want to add blood onto the walls, but I just can't seem to figure out how, can anyone post a tutorial on how to paint blood onto walls?

3 buttons below the brush tool is the decal tool. Select a decal in the material browser(type decal in the filter) and find a decal that you like, including blood; for a shortcut just type 'blood'.

[Wall-Nut]

Thanks! It works perfectly. :)

[BlackEagle]

Thanks! It works perfectly. :)

Just to add on with the decals; I would suggest using not too many but using quite a few. They really do help make your map look better.

Good luck!

[Wall-Nut]

I decided to add a building that explodes when a trigger is touched by a CT, but I can't manage to get it to work, so here's an ss of the menu: Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=35i17qa&s=7)
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I'm sure that there is no problem on the trigger_once end because both the sound and shake work fine.

[HZK]

Talk to me on steam, i'll guide you through it.

[HZK]

Ok here.


1. Make a building
2. Use the clip tool to cut the building into bits
3. Make EACH of the bits a func_physbox(Do not make them as one entity)
4. Name all of them Buildingbits, tick the flag 'Motion disabled' and make their strength/health 0 and set 'Disable Receiving Shadows' to yes
(For a shortcut, just configure one of them and use the 'copy & paste' buttons to make the rest the same, but the flags won't carry over)
5. Put an env_physexplosion in the middle of the building. Name it 'buildingforce' and set 'limit to entity' to 'buildingbits'.
6. Adjust the magnitude(Set this VERY high - I had to use 100,000 for glass!) and radius to a good level, tick the flag 'no damage - only force'
7. Go to the trigger_once and add these outputs:


OnTrigger
Buildingbits
enablemotion
-
0.00


OnTrigger
Buildingforce
explode
-
0.05


8. Test in-game




ANY QUESTIONS?

[Wall-Nut]

So I've made an interior of one building, but I've noticed an exposed area that shouldn't be seen from a high vantage point, and I don't know how to make it look as if that area is invisible from the building, can someone help please? Here is an ss: Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6hkvtt&s=7)

There has also been a problem with these 2 medics, I'm trying to get them look like they are standing normally, but ingame they are just in the default T-position.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5bbcd5&s=7

The env_physexplosion just never wants to work, even with a magnitude of 100,000,000. Here's an ss of the entity options: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2gxjy8g&s=7

[HZK]

So I've made an interior of one building, but I've noticed an exposed area that shouldn't be seen from a high vantage point, and I don't know how to make it look as if that area is invisible from the building, can someone help please? Here is an ss: Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting
(http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6hkvtt&s=7)
Rephrase plz


There has also been a problem with these 2 medics, I'm trying to get them look like they are standing normally, but ingame they are just in the default T-position.
Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5bbcd5&s=7)

Go to the 'model' tab in the properties, find an animation you like, and go back to the properties and set the EXACT animation name as the default animation. Talk to me on steam if you have any other questions about that.


The env_physexplosion just never wants to work, even with a magnitude of 100,000,000. Here's an ss of the entity options: Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2gxjy8g&s=7)
Check a few things:
1. Is the physexplosion triggered AFTER the 'bits' have the imput 'enablemotion'? Make it like 0.01 seconds after.
2. Try making the magnitude higher, physboxes tend to be very heavy.
3. Is the trigger even being triggered?



Ask me in steam for better troubleshooting.

[Wall-Nut]

Thanks, everything worked out perfectly, except that the explosion only manages to move 2 blocks, but Ill just have to make the magnitude higher.

Also, I'm trying to rotate a decal that I've placed on the road, but when I do it just goes back to its original postition.

[high rws]

Thanks, everything worked out perfectly, except that the explosion only manages to move 2 blocks, but Ill just have to make the magnitude higher.

Also, I'm trying to rotate a decal that I've placed on the road, but when I do it just goes back to its original postition.

not really sure how to address that, but when you run your map, set the options in order to "normal, normal, fast"

that fixed all my decal issues

[HZK]

not really sure how to address that, but when you run your map, set the options in order to "normal, normal, fast"

that fixed all my decal issues


Normal, Normal, Normal is the ideal compilation method. And I'm not sure how that would effect decals.

2 things that I would try:

- Get rid of some decals that you don't need
- Turn the ones that you want to edit into overlays


P.S: When I was playing your map, the ragdolls were a problem. Use them sparingly and make sure you have the 'debris -don't collide with player or other debris' flag ticked.

[Wall-Nut]

I set it to Normal, Fast, Normal, but I still don't understand how that affects the compilation.

Also, got some screenshots with a different skybox, the interior of a building, and an area with graffiti. Feedback?
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[high rws]

I set it to Normal, Fast, Normal, but I still don't understand how that affects the compilation.

Also, got some screenshots with a different skybox, the interior of a building, and an area with graffiti. Feedback?
Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xnb6f5&s=7)
Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2d92v6s&s=7)
Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16avbxh&s=7)
Image - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=650rck&s=7)

don't use normal fast normal

i personally use normal normal fast, and hunter uses normal normal normal

when you're doing your final compile of your map, you should set everything to normal, however i set the last option [can't remember the name of it right now] to fast so the lighting, shadows, etc is rendered quickly and i can just test the map.

[HZK]

don't use normal fast normal

i personally use normal normal fast, and hunter uses normal normal normal

when you're doing your final compile of your map, you should set everything to normal, however i set the last option [can't remember the name of it right now] to fast so the lighting, shadows, etc is rendered quickly and i can just test the map.

Yep, that's the best way to do it.

[Wall-Nut]

I've been trying to attach a zombie corps onto a rope to make it look as if the rope was around the zombie's neck, but I've just had no luck. I managed to get the corps to stay suspended, but the rope is just attached to the XYZ origin, and not the zombie's neck. I watched tutorials several times, and replicated what was done but it still didn't work. Can someone help please?

Edit: Nvm, the rope is attached to the corpse, but the corpse just drags the rope down to the floor and doesnt stay suspended.

Edit 2: Completely fixed, disregard the problem :)

[high rws]

% done?

[HZK]

have you made the ragdolls debris yet?

[Wall-Nut]

Ragdolls are pretty much done, and the debris i am still experimenting. I managed to get the building to collapse, but like i said, I'm clipping the blocks into different patterns to see what looks the best.

Map is about 85% done.

[HZK]

bump

[Wall-Nut]

Since it's been bumped, I figured I might share this ss. Thought's?

My map is now 90-95% done, I'm experimenting with different lighting I can put in. Ill post a dl link to what I've done in about 15 mins.

http://www.mediafire.com/?lnecrznd8bw37e8

[HZK]

Made this to help with a question you asked me earlier.



How to make a plank that is broken by a certain amount of people:


1. Make a plank where you want it. Name it plank set its health to 0 and tick the flag 'only break on trigger'
2. Make a trigger_multiple above the plank and set its reset time to 0. Make sure only the 'clients' box is ticked. Name it Planktrigger.
3. Make a math_counter named math with initial value at 0 and set the maximum legal value to the amount of players that you want to break the plank.
4. In the trigger_multiple outputs tab put this:


OnStartTouch
math
add
1
0.00


OnEndTouch
math
subract
1
0.00


5. In the math_counter outputs tab put this:


OnHitMax
plank
break
-
0.00

OnHitMax
planktrigger
kill
0.00


6. Profit




Optional: Pressure break (with creaking sound)


1. Set the current math_counter delays to 2.00
2. Create an ambient_generic ontop of the plank and set the radius to where you want the creaking to be heard. Name it Planksound.
3. Set the sound to a creaking wood sound.
4. Add this output to the math_counter:


OnHitMax
planksound
playsound
-
0.00


OnHitMax
planksound
volume
8
1.00


OnHitMax
planksound
volume
4
1.50


OnHitMax
planksound
volume
0
2.00


OnHitMax
planksound
kill
0
2.01

[Wall-Nut]

Everything's been going good so far, but how do you make the console say something, like how on ze_deathstar there are messages from the console saying: "HOLD CANTINA 25 SECONDS"?

EDIT: Also, how do you host a free server where I can inv people? I need one to test some of the stuff in my map.

[HZK]

How to make the console speak:

1. Make a point_servercommand called 'command'
2. Make a trigger_once. Only tick the clients flag
3. In the trigger_once outputs tab put this:

OnStartTouch
Command
Command
say .....
0.00

WARNING: DO NOT USE " , OR ' BECAUSE IT WILL CORRUPT YOUR MAP FILE. YOU JUST NEED TO PUT SAY BLAH BLAH
E.G

OnStartTouch
Command
Command
Say Hunter/Zombiephobia/Knife is awesome!
0.00

[Matt]

Hosting your own server is easy. Go to Steam and then go to tools. You download Source Multiplayer Dedicated Server. Download it and set it up.

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Dedicated_Server

Just information on SMDS.

[HZK]

Or just create a listen server(click 'create server') and set sv_lan 0. Then switch the map and people can join you.

[high rws]

how far would you say you are in terms of map progress?

[Wall-Nut]

how far would you say you are in terms of map progress?

My map is done. I just need people to test out things that I've put in and a nav file. If the nav file cant be made then I'll revise my map so it will work.

[HZK]

and a nav file. If the nav file cant be made then I'll revise my map so it will work.

I guess it's my turn.

[Wall-Nut]

If the nav file cant be made due to something in my map, please let me know.

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[HZK]

You need to pakrat that before I can work on it.


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[Wall-Nut]

I'll stick with this skybox for now, used it before and looked quite alright, hope that this bsp wont cause problems.

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[HZK]

3 things.

1. There is no way that the planks can work with this AI. The bots can actually chase you on them but they will usually hide or wait under you. Try finding a replacement.

2. The map is a full-on zombie rush. Maybe try to make the zombies spawn slightly further away. Also give the humans some sort of fall-back shelter.

3. I can't find the buyzone 0_0


If you send me the VMF via steamchat then I could make some suitable changes.