How to get Admin - Poll + Q&A

[Amit]

For everybody who is wondering abt the new system and have querie regarding it, here's the plan and guidelines -

How would new admins be selected -

1- Whenever there is a vacancy, we'll invite applications through a form, which would be screened by BDs and AOs. Candidates for admin position must have a certain minimum activity which would be decided later by the BDs and posted in the application thread.

2- Once we receive the applications, the BDs and AOs will shortlist candidates based on their profile, history, contribution (not $$) and expertise.

3- The above process(es) will be kept confidential, and will NOT be discussed in the public domain. It will be strictly prohibited, and complaints will be entertained only by PMs. No explanation will be provided on the selection (or rejection) of applications.

4- The selected candidates will go through a public poll for 3 days. The members shall vote Yes/No/Don't care for each candidate. To become admin, a candidate must achieve a majority YES ...

5- Any candidate 'lobbying' for votes will be disqualified.

Feel free to psot any query and I'll be more than happy to answer them.


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Guidelines to get SA rank -

1- Do not PM BDs/AOs or any higher rank and trying to convince them. Do not sell your case. If you lobby in private, your application will be rejected.

2- Must not show dissent on being rejected. It'll never help.

3- Only members with >xxx posts would be allowed to vote for/against a candidate.

4- Each public vote MUST accompany a reason. The voting section will be heavily moderated. Any vote without a proper reason would not be counted.

5- If you are not sure of your participation at SG in the near future, please do not apply for an SA rank

[Amit]

So how do u get in?

Whenever there is a vacancy, we'll invite applications through a form..

[MattShadows]

Sounds good.
Voted for BD's.

[Amit]

so now u updated like the form right?

Not yet. We'll start accepting admins only after 15th. We'll update the form then.

[struki]

How about SA's deciding who gets admin?

[Amit]

How about SA's deciding who gets admin?

We don't want a small group of friends running the servers...

[Sembrik]

Voted for Amit :)

BD sounds fine too...

(Hard Choise)


The process listed in the thread looks good too... AGHH!

[Amit]

BTW...the third option - by you..Amit. We trust you. (PS - check your PM) .. is pure sarcasm. I'm not involved in selection at all...

Use tht option when you don't care how the SAs would be appointed.

[Sembrik]

Would choose BD or one single person who are playing on all servers 24/7..

Don`t think Members only would be the right decision...

[struki]

We don't want a small group of friends running the servers...

Okay.

But picking amit is not good option.

Seeing how he has like 3 forums to read...and that he cant really keep overwatch on all members.

I had no chance with garfield because i didnt play games that he played nor did spam forums.


So i would say that process described in this thread is best option.


Edit: Just saw your other post...nvm

[Wicked Pissah]

Tough choice, can we pick more than one? JK.

Chose BD's though. They are a trustful kind. =D

[Smiley :]]

Sounds good.

[hV]

Chose the last option, I don't think the BDs alone should pick out applicants, AOs and BDs would mean that there's more likely the chance some of them know the applicants. Not to mention that the BDs have favourite servers *cough*Paul*cough*.

[Boobcake]

Didnt see the last option, could you change my vote to it please.

[SpaZMonKeY]

Didnt see the last option, could you change my vote to it please.

Ya I also voted BDs Only, but I prefer the listed process in thread. I jumped the gun voting before reading the thread lol. Woops :heh:

[Spiffy]

None of the Above. Refer to CA section for best selection.

[Sembrik]

Didnt see the last option, could you change my vote to it please.

Did the same mistake rofl :) -> Vote changed to last one

[Chobber]

Did the same mistake rofl :) -> Vote changed to last one

HERP!

Me too..

Thought 3rd option was a 'or write something else yourself'-option..

I vote for the on in OP!

[Hazmat]

Amit, I like your idea but for the public poll. Idk about that because there are allot of people that are new and may not have good input. Just spamming the forms. Maybe if it was for Don and up voting pole. But that's just my opinion...

[Lemonstein]

Thats why he said only members with xxx posts can vote.

voted for the last option
BDs have their word on it so not everybody gets admin, and members get to have their word too

[Lucid]

Voted for the process listed, sounds good but I hop we can maintain this system.

Also, it should be around 80% approval like the old admin system.

[tic]

The thing is that with the proccses you listed is its going to become a fame game. People that are friends with each other are going to root them on and not because there the better admin or not and if you dont vote for your friend ect ect ect. IMO the proccses should be AO+ due to them being more experienced and knowing how to pick off the people that are just wanting to be admin just for bragging rights and don't actually do there job.

[Crazy Swede]

The thing is that with the proccses you listed is its going to become a fame game. People that are friends with each other are going to root them on and not because there the better admin or not and if you dont vote for your friend ect ect ect. IMO the proccses should be AO+ due to them being more experienced and knowing how to pick off the people that are just wanting to be admin just for bragging rights and don't actually do there job.

Tbh... I still believe it would become a "fame game" with AO+ allso. If not, but atleast, ass-kissing contest. Atleast with this formula, the voting are more widely-spreaded.

[Bullet Wound]

For everybody who is wondering abt the new system and have querie regarding it, here's the plan and guidelines -

How would new admins be selected -

1- Whenever there is a vacancy, we'll invite applications through a form, which would be screened by BDs and AOs. Candidates for admin position must have a certain minimum activity which would be decided later by the BDs and posted in the application thread.


Whats the ideal number of admins you're looking to have at any given time then?


2- Once we receive the applications, the BDs and AOs will shortlist candidates based on their profile, history, contribution (not $$) and expertise.


What contributions can someone do if they are not admin already? It also seems like this part is where favoritism would come is, especially the "history" part.

4- The selected candidates will go through a public poll for 3 days. The members shall vote Yes/No/Don't care for each candidate. To become admin, a candidate must achieve a majority YES ...

So is a "majority" still 60% or is it higher now?



The method isn't bad, but tbh it sounds more like the higher ups are doing all of the work really. Seems like they are choosing the admins and the community is more or less just agreeing with their decisions.

[Matt]

May i ask how many SA's we have?

[Dracula]

Done by the members.

[Chaos]

Done by the members.

Agree. The members have the most interaction with the candidates, but only after BD's selection.

[EvilShadow98]

So am i right? we can apply for admin in march 15 somone correct me :/

Patience.

[duhoh]

Tbh... I still believe it would become a "fame game" with AO+ allso. If not, but atleast, ass-kissing contest. Atleast with this formula, the voting are more widely-spreaded.

i can guarantee that none of the AO+ likes being sucked up to.

this is a good process given in the OP.

[Dracula]

i can guarantee that none of the AO+ likes being sucked up to.

this is a good process given in the OP.

The same is said everytime, I still havnt seen it.

[Prez]

Process you posted sounds cool, I'd go with that

[NIKO]

im OG, can I have admin?

[duhoh]

im OG, can I have admin?

outta game?

[Sai]

I voted Bd's they have been here longer and know how to be an admin. They can choose who is good and who isnt.

[Zealot]

Process, except not members for the public poll. Make it SA+

[Suicide]

I voted for member vote.

[Im a Jackass]

I Like this I might have a chance to get admin now :LOOL:

and I dont think members should be able to vote becasue who ever has the most friends would win

[Harry]

and I dont think members should be able to vote becasue who ever has the most friends would win
Isn't that a good thing? If you have no friends it either means you're not active, you're an asshole 24/7, or you are not a good people-person. All three traits an admin should not have. :v

[Labarr]

Sounds good!!! As long as it's not based soleey onmembers votes. :D

[MPQC]

Isn't that a good thing? If you have no friends it either means you're not active, you're an asshole 24/7, or you are not a good people-person. All three traits an admin should not have. :v

It's not necessarily a good thing. A person can have loads of friends and still be immature, and unfit for admin, and I'm sure many of the people here can list you dozens of examples. While having many friends that play here does show that they are at least semi-active, it does not show anything else.

[Harry]

It's not necessarily a good thing. A person can have loads of friends and still be immature, and unfit for admin, and I'm sure many of the people here can list you dozens of examples. While having many friends that play here does show that they are at least semi-active, it does not show anything else.
I guess you are correct, but it does somewhat solve the problem of people applying and no one knowing who they are. The BDs play a lot, but maybe not as much or at the same times as the applicant is, etc.

[P3rg3]

People that are going to apply should also be able to read.
Some of you...
Damn.

[Strike]

AO+ Don't buy any toilet paper for the rest of the month.

[Ámber]

Isn't that a good thing? If you have no friends it either means you're not active, you're an asshole 24/7, or you are not a good people-person. All three traits an admin should not have. :v

nrlly since some of the biggest douches got a Sh*tloads of friends..

[Suicide]

Good luck to everyone on this! :)

[Dracula]

nrlly since some of the dumbest people such as myself got a Sh*tloads of friends..

:yawn:

[andre1028]

nrlly since some of the biggest douches got a Sh*tloads of friends..

Who doesn't want to be friends with a guy who cleans vaginas for a living?

[Jazz]

«SG.Reg» players and folks with ranks above should be able to vote. The milestone of reaching 100 posts to achieve regular status has shown that he/she is active in the community, and is serious about things like this. I'm skeptical that we should allow members with 0 posts to vote. The applicant can simply say to his/her random friends to register and vote for me, despite the fact that those members don't know how the admins behaviour really is. If not, perhaps raise the milestone of «SG.Reg» status to 150-200 posts?

A strict rule of spamming should be brought here. If any spamming is shown, the player simply loses chance of becoming a «SG.Reg» (SG Regular Gamer.) Donators has shown their dedication to the community by supporting it financially and should therefor be able to vote too.

I think admin complaints should be shown in public because you learn from the admin's mistake (quoted by Blank, still a good argument). And they always give a good laugh.

As I see I made an argument that doesn't match any of the poll suggestions, so this is just an idea, I guess.

[mapper]

«SG.Reg» players and folks with ranks above should be able to vote. The milestone of reaching 100 posts to achieve regular status has shown that he/she is active in the community, and is serious about things like this. I'm skeptical that we should allow members with 0 posts to vote. The applicant can simply say to his/her random friends to register and vote for me, despite the fact that those members don't know how the admins behaviour really is. If not, perhaps raise the milestone of «SG.Reg» status to 150-200 posts?

A strict rule of spamming should be brought here. If any spamming is shown, the player simply loses chance of becoming a «SG.Reg» (SG Regular Gamer.) Donators has shown their dedication to the community by supporting it financially and should therefor be able to vote too.

I think admin complaints should be shown in public because you learn from the admin's mistake (quoted by Blank, still a good argument). And they always give a good laugh.

As I see I made an argument that doesn't match any of the poll suggestions, so this is just an idea, I guess.

replace the post goal with a time goal: eg: 3months and I agree.

[Crazy Swede]

replace the post goal with a time goal: eg: 3months and I agree.

Tbh that doesn't point out that a member has been active all those 3 month's. He could might aswell just have registered, stayed active the 2 first weeks and then stopped playing.

Instead, 100+ post's AND the member must have been logged in on the homepage X amount of times or been playing on one of SG servers X amount of hour(s) the latest month?

[Jazz]

Tbh that doesn't point out that a member has been active all those 3 month's. He could might aswell just have registered, stayed active the 2 first weeks and then stopped playing.

Instead, 100+ post's AND the member must have been logged in on the homepage X amount of times or been playing on one of SG servers X amount of hour(s) the latest month?

Well posting is beyond logging on to the home page, and by the spam rule, it just get's better. but the X amount of hour was a good idea too.

[Elfbarf]

Any form of public voting would be a popularity contest, I highly doubt that most people will actually base it off of how good of an admin someone would be.

[Nasu]

Any form of public voting would be a popularity contest, I highly doubt that most people will actually base it off of how good of an admin someone would be.

yea. Our main plan is to destroy and troll SG and pick bad admins so sg will fall!

[Dracula]

Any form of public voting would be a popularity contest, I highly doubt that most people will actually base it off of how good of an admin someone would be.

Lol you do know that no matter what its going to be a popularity contest, the only thing we are changing here is who you need to be popular with.:yawn:

[Italian Jew]

Lol you do know that no matter what its going to be a popularity contest, the only thing we are changing here is who you need to be popular with.:yawn:

^

More likely for someone to kiss the admins' asses than for them to kiss everyone else's.

People will know who the bullshitters are (mostly) rather than an admin getting his ego stroked.

[Shine]

how do i apply?

[Dracula]

how do i apply?

You dont.

[Jazzyy]

Figured out a full proof way to promoting admins:

http://www.random.org/

[sebak]

good that he made a thread, tired of every member asking for admin. though i doubt it will stop ;)

[Neji]

members.

[Im a Jackass]

Isn't that a good thing? If you have no friends it either means you're not active, you're an asshole 24/7, or you are not a good people-person. All three traits an admin should not have. :v

no its just that if the members vote it could easly be "who has the most friends" vote not who REALLY should have admin

[Repus]

BD's is bad choise for 2 reasons:

1. They have other duties
2. They are too reconiced, (kiss ass)

Here is my suggestion: assemble new team, secret team! They have no special title, they are not indefied to public in any way, not even current admins perhaps even secret from BD's.

They also should contain members, admins, supporters mayby even noobs.

This should give ppl reason to be nice to everyone.

[Bullet Wound]

BD's is bad choise for 2 reasons:

1. They have other duties
2. They are too reconiced, (kiss ass)

Here is my suggestion: assemble new team, secret team! They have no special title, they are not indefied to public in any way, not even current admins perhaps even secret from BD's.

They also should contain members, admins, supporters mayby even noobs.

This should give ppl reason to be nice to everyone.

Sounds good, but its a lot of effort and lets face it, the "secret" team would not be a secret for very long, eventually they'd give themselves away.

[Repus]

Sounds good, but its a lot of effort and lets face it, the "secret" team would not be a secret for very long, eventually they'd give themselves away.

Mayby it could be often rotating team, secret is who is on the team currently.

[Crazy Swede]

Mayby it could be often rotating team, secret is who is on the team currently.

...or
The every momber wouldn't know about eachother. So they can only give THEMSELVES away. When they cast their vote, they do it to Amit (President/Owner)

[HZK]

Reg+ can vote but everyone must give a reason why.

[The Joker DK]

soo.... after the march 15 we get new admins ??

[D-Team oll]

Not yet. We'll start accepting admins only after 15th. We'll update the form then.

will will be able 2 upload demos to the form for the complaints

[Strike]

A new great way to pick admins.

1. Go onto Reg/Donator list.
2. Close eyes
3. Scroll randomly with you mouse arrow on the nmes
4. Stop
5. Open eyes
6. See what derp you just picked to be admin

[Crazy Swede]

A new great way to pick admins.

1. Go onto Reg/Donator list.
2. Close eyes
3. Scroll randomly with you mouse arrow on the nmes
4. Stop
5. Open eyes
6. See what derp you just picked to be admin

And add some fancy math calculations to it. Like, every player on the list is a number. For example, 48.

Player 48 gets picked, multiply it by 2, then you divide it by Pie (3,14159265). And all of a sudden, we have a fancy advanced system that overrules popularity contest :nuts:

EDIT: For all the serious people, I was being sarcastic.

[Bullet Wound]

A new great way to pick admins.

1. Go onto Reg/Donator list.
2. Close eyes
3. Scroll randomly with you mouse arrow on the nmes
4. Stop
5. Open eyes
6. See what derp you just picked to be admin

1. Go to Reg/Donator list
2. Realize that both lists are blank
3. Regroup and figure out new method

[bamfers]

lol me having a chance to get Admin? xD
I bet someone is going to do some things to have me not get it at all.

[MPQC]

lol me having a chance to get Admin? xD
I bet someone is going to do some things to have me not get it at all.

http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae257/steve777_07/challenge-accepted.png

[Toxin]

So, what about former admins, that were deemed inactive by GarfieldH and removed? Will they have to go through the process again?

[Bullet Wound]

So, what about former admins, that were deemed inactive by GarfieldH and removed? Will they have to go through the process again?

Why wouldn't you?

[jeN]

So, what about former admins, that were deemed inactive by GarfieldH and removed? Will they have to go through the process again?

They were deemed inactive by a group of people, including their stats on the servers that showed us they simply weren't playing..

[Suicide]

So, what about former admins, that were deemed inactive by GarfieldH and removed? Will they have to go through the process again?

They should have too... no reason for them to just get admin without do anything for it.