Gays with guns?

[LegalSmash]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/gays_in_the_ranks

[Slavic]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/gays_in_the_ranks

Its a ridiculous issue in my opinion. Homosexuality is a lifestyle that in no ways hampers an individuals ability to perform in combat. Unless an actual rational reason is produced that shows that a homosexual's sexual preference will be a hinderence in armed combat then the current law is just blatant discrimination.

[Drox]

Its a ridiculous issue in my opinion. Homosexuality is a lifestyle that in no ways hampers an individuals ability to perform in combat. Unless an actual rational reason is produced that shows that a homosexual's sexual preference will be a hinderence in armed combat then the current law is just blatant discrimination.

I agree, it doesnt effect how well of a soldier they can be but what the military has always been worried about is how will that gay person's unit act with him in it. Thus why they had the dont ask dont tell policy, because I personally know quite a bit of guys in the military where if they found someone gay in their unit, they may kill him in a flash. So I still believe gays have a place in our military, I just think they need to keep the fact that they are gay to themselves for their own protection.

[Hunt3r.j2]

Personally I just think that the policy of "don't ask, don't tell" is fine, nothing wrong with it.


If it's really that bad then oh well, the only difference you would have is that you would wank off to a different type of porn.

People who are homophobes can get reassigned to a different regiment or division.

[Drox]

People who are homophobes can get reassigned to a different regiment or division.

Its usually the other way around, the gay guy would either get discharged (most often this happens) or transferred to a different unit if he violates the "dont ask, dont tell" policy.

[Caution]

There was a guy (Sergeant in the Army, I believe) recently who was discharged for being homosexual. The Supreme Court wouldn't even hear his case when he tried to fight it.

[Desum]

Title made me lol... Nonetheless, "Don't ask, Don't tell" seems like a fine enough policy. Your unit reaaaallly doesn't need to be thinking about that kind of stuff, which would effectively decrease their combat ability on the field. Not that being gay is bad or anything, its that you just don't need to announce it to the world. It's fairly natural for a man to feel uncomfortable next to a gay man, its just natural masculinity and hormones that cause males to not necessarily dislike homosexuality, but just feel it's an awkward subject, lifestyle, etc.

[Lux]

In simplicity you can't see how any free country would discriminate gays.

Although I watched Bruno and had to laugh, America needs to get over homosexuality already.

[Italian Jew]

Your unit reaaaallly doesn't need to be thinking about that kind of stuff, which would effectively decrease their combat ability on the field.

Because when you are getting shot at, the only thing you can think about is what might happen if you drop the soap.

[Slavic]

I agree, it doesnt effect how well of a soldier they can be but what the military has always been worried about is how will that gay person's unit act with him in it. Thus why they had the dont ask dont tell policy, because I personally know quite a bit of guys in the military where if they found someone gay in their unit, they may kill him in a flash. So I still believe gays have a place in our military, I just think they need to keep the fact that they are gay to themselves for their own protection.

Mine as well put all the Jews in separate platoons because I know a lot of guys in the Marines who are anti-Semitic bigots.

While we are at it, a lot of the white population in the military tends to come from the poorer more racist states of the union; I think we should keep racial minorities in different units for their safety.

New military laws should be in place so that people in the military can't talk about their political identity, religious life, or personal ambitions because we don't know who may take offense to an aspect of another soldiers life. This is all for the benefit of the military as we try to keep a more PG and politically correct approach to combat.

No one must be allowed to talk about themselves except in designated military arts and crafts classes where soldiers will be allowed to express their identity through macaroni pictures with the pretty glitter on it.

Seriously

[Drox]

Mine as well put all the Jews in separate platoons because I know a lot of guys in the Marines who are anti-Semitic bigots.

While we are at it, a lot of the white population in the military tends to come from the poorer more racist states of the union; I think we should keep racial minorities in different units for their safety.

New military laws should be in place so that people in the military can't talk about their political identity, religious life, or personal ambitions because we don't know who may take offense to an aspect of another soldiers life. This is all for the benefit of the military as we try to keep a more PG and politically correct approach to combat.

No one must be allowed to talk about themselves except in designated military arts and crafts classes where soldiers will be allowed to express their identity through macaroni pictures with the pretty glitter on it.

Seriously

WAOxY_nHdew

[Omar]

In simplicity you can't see how any free country would discriminate gays.

Although I watched Bruno and had to laugh, America needs to get over homosexuality already.

We said it was a free country.. but not that FREE??? :P


Slavic, homosexuality is a whole different matter than 26 white guys and a black guy, or 26 christians and a jew, It's just not the same.


Seriously, mean, yes, you shouldn't be afraid if it's some little pussy like Bruno, but if it's like.. this really big guy with a giant mustache who's gay as hell and likes to GIVE it in the ass, hell, I would be more scared of him then the enemy, especially when the lights are off.

[Lux]

We said it was a free country.. but not that FREE??? :P


Slavic, homosexuality is a whole different matter than 26 white guys and a black guy, or 26 christians and a jew, It's just not the same.


Seriously, mean, yes, you shouldn't be afraid if it's some little pussy like Bruno, but if it's like.. this really big guy with a giant mustache who's gay as hell and likes to GIVE it in the ass, hell, I would be more scared of him then the enemy, especially when the lights are off.

They don't stop women having guns v_v.

Also Omar you are allowed to be gay, even America allows people to be gay, you can't not give gay people a gun just because they are gay. Being gay has nothing to do with guns.

If a man can't accept a gay person then that is their personal issue and their fault, and to say that people in the army being gay raped is the most pressing thought on their mind then you need your head checked. What is the chance of the few or one gay person in a squad raping someone else when one word to the rest of the squad would resort in a killing or something.

[trakaill]

We said it was a free country.. but not that FREE??? :P


Slavic, homosexuality is a whole different matter than 26 white guys and a black guy, or 26 christians and a jew, It's just not the same.


Seriously, mean, yes, you shouldn't be afraid if it's some little pussy like Bruno, but if it's like.. this really big guy with a giant mustache who's gay as hell and likes to GIVE it in the ass, hell, I would be more scared of him then the enemy, especially when the lights are off.

that has to be one of the dumbest thing you have written on these forums..I cant even start to explain how stupid that is!!!
Though Im not totally up for the whole "let the gays get married" and that is not for the fact that but for what marriage represents...

According to your statement you are saying that any gay person will rape you in the butt every time you are not looking well let me tell you something all the gays Ive met so far are very far from that your. idea is completely absurd.. have you ever met a gay guy??? they are just about the most respectful people (in general) to men as well as to women..

This kind of stuff make me think you deserve something up your ass ffs

[Omar]

that has to be one of the dumbest thing you have written on these forums..I cant even start to explain how stupid that is!!!
Though Im not totally up for the whole "let the gays get married" and that is not for the fact that but for what marriage represents...

According to your statement you are saying that any gay person will rape you in the butt every time you are not looking well let me tell you something all the gays Ive met so far are very far from that your. idea is completely absurd.. have you ever met a gay guy??? they are just about the most respectful people (in general) to men as well as to women..

This kind of stuff make me think you deserve something up your ass ffs

First off, yes, I've met a gay guy, no, if you read my shit correctly, i was talking about the manly gays who likes to give it up the ass, the big mean guys, not the harmless "i love womens hair" "oh that is nice clothes, that guy is cute" kinda gay.
And it was a joke, not about the guns, but about how the other comrades tolerate the homosexual

[PotshotPolka]

if he shoot straight (lol, irony) then who gives a shit?

[trakaill]

if he shoot straight (lol, irony) then who gives a shit?

if he shoots straight with what :O

[SoulKeeper]

It's stupid how homosexuals are looked down on.

If you can't respect someones choice, we shouldn't respect YOURS.

[Mikey]

I get the funny feeling that omar might actually be a stereotype of an American. Stupid and pointless.

But anyway. I think it's all in parenthood. Nothing can be done for this generation, it's too fucked up and ignorant.

If parents teach kids about respect and accepting someones opinions we should have no problem in the next 20-30 years, I mean think of it this way.

We went from "omg it's a black man! Let's make him farm cotton for the rest of his life!!" to President Obama. am sure we'll get to a point where people will look at the past and just lol upon our ignorance.

As to the "don't ask don't tell" policy, it's a good a protective system to prevent them from friendly firing Red-Necks but on the other hand they have to be in hiding, which makes it Un-American because they can't stand for what they believe openly.

fuck man, am getting too frustrated over this nonsense, gtg hug some trees and recycle

[VirDeBello]

While we are at it, a lot of the white population in the military tends to come from the poorer more racist states of the union; I think we should keep racial minorities in different units for their safety.


Slavic is absolutely right, alot of people in the army hate gay people. And its because they come from shithole states of America. But if you asked someone that has lived in an urban community, just like me. We won't really care as long as they did their job right. But then again a similar thing happened back in the 70's with women able to go to West Point and that alot of people were upset with this and that they would leave the Army. But now, no one even remembers it.

[trakaill]

I get the funny feeling that omar might actually be a stereotype of an American. Stupid and pointless.

But anyway. I think it's all in parenthood. Nothing can be done for this generation, it's too fucked up and ignorant.

If parents teach kids about respect and accepting someones opinions we should have no problem in the next 20-30 years, I mean think of it this way.

We went from "omg it's a black man! Let's make him farm cotton for the rest of his life!!" to President Obama. am sure we'll get to a point where people will look at the past and just lol upon our ignorance.

As to the "don't ask don't tell" policy, it's a good a protective system to prevent them from friendly firing Red-Necks but on the other hand they have to be in hiding, which makes it Un-American because they can't stand for what they believe openly.

fuck man, am getting too frustrated over this nonsense, gtg hug some trees and recycle

Jack Sparrow president 2012 ?! :boxing:

[LegalSmash]

I think that the policies as stand are somewhat appropriate as regards to servicemen in uniform, performing their duties. Let me explain:

1. Servicemen/women have a behavior standard they must follow, among it includes limitations on public displays of affection while in uniform, on and off base.

-The same manner by which a private would be admonished for engaging in sexual acts for messing with a woman, than for messing with a man, if the conduct was consented to on all sides. Period.

I see little difference in the nature of the behavior as to action, or result. Someone is acting inappropriately, and should be corrected.

The current rule pretty much admonishes said first private, while firing from work, dismissing, or "drumming out" the second.


2. Gay people, as far as I am concerned, in their PERSONAL LIVES, outside of when in uniform, in their own affairs SHOULD be allowed to carry on as they would otherwise.

- Here is the rub, their personal lives, in the military, are all but nonexistent. The other countries that "allow" gays in the military also have strict rules regarding in uniform fraternization, and outward displays of affection, political leaning, and ideological statement... this means that those two gay guys in the Israeli army may go out for ONE interview and say X, Y, or Z, with permission of their leaders... BUT, they are not prancing around in the San Fransisco parade in an inappropriate manner which violates regulation.

Homosexuals need to realize that many times, their "community' seeks to force their lifestyle on surrounding persons, to FORCE acceptance. Flaming homos, in my eyes, are no different than slutty whores, or douchebag former frat boys with the 3xs shirt with 5 collars popped and the backwards visors, dropping roofies into people's drinks... its inappropriate behavior.

Tolerance is a requirement in this country, but acceptance is not required... and they need to come to grips with this.

3. The current rule in the states is essentially "Do not ask about the sexuality of soldier, and soldier will not tell their sexuality, do outward gestures of sexuality, and/or act inappropriately". In other words, act according to regular standards of living in a place of business.

-I believe this rule should be amended to require the soldier himself/herself to act inappropriately... you would not believe how influential hearsay can be with these issues in the military.

-This being the case, perhaps soldiers who are gay should realize they don't have it all that bad here... no one is killing them, or kicking them out for BEING gay, that is a political twist of the situation, they get kicked out for being a flamer... which IS a reasonable reaction to behavior that can affect morale.

All the above being as is, I think perhaps the best thing to do is to relax the policy where OTHER people SAY "X is Y" and base it more on X's direct conduct.

Lastly, Re soldier kicked out, he came screaming out of the closet like a banshee. He bought himself that one.

[Lux]

if he shoot straight (lol, irony) then who gives a shit?

Lol except how many straight guys sold guns can? :lol:

I think the US Army has it right in not condoning gay relationships, acts or even the disclosure of someone being gay.

Like how woman are split from men in these kinds of situations, soldiers have a job to do and that doesn't involve sexual relationships. Straight men won't cause sexual relationships to happen but gay people could, so if they can't accept that they have to act straight to be a soldier then by all means kick them out.

But the army in America isn't parallel with owning a gun.

[Italian Jew]

Like how woman are split from men in these kinds of situations, soldiers have a job to do and that doesn't involve sexual relationships. Straight men won't cause sexual relationships to happen but gay people could, so if they can't accept that they have to act straight to be a soldier then by all means kick them out.



Women are in the military as well, so straight men could cause sexual relations (or it could be the woman).

[Hunt3r.j2]

The rule is fine. Don't dry-hump a dude in your unit in the barracks, and you don't get your ass kicked.

The rule applies to everyone. If a guy cops a feel on a gal, he's going to get what comes to him.

I think that's acceptable.

[Slavic]

The rule is fine. Don't dry-hump a dude in your unit in the barracks, and you don't get your ass kicked.

The rule applies to everyone. If a guy cops a feel on a gal, he's going to get what comes to him.

I think that's acceptable.

Yes but the guy cop can talk to his buddies in the barracks about the last sexual conquest he's had and no one would bat an eye. If the police followed the same doctrine as the military and a gay cop talked about his last sexual conquest he would be kick out of the core.

I don't care what sexual preference you have, as long as it doesn't hinder your fighting abilities then you shouldn't be bothered about it.

As with what Italian states about females in the army. If you beleive a homosexual in the army may cause sexual tension in the army, then you must apply it to women as well because of the sexual tension they may create.

@ Legal: You are absolutely right. Sexual, Religious, Political Identities should be kept to yourself while in the military. The problem lies in the fact that homosexual identities are treated much harsher then their straight counter parts.

If Johnny Marine shows all of his buddies in the barracks the letter he received from his wife back home there will be no issue at hand despite the fact that Johnny is showing his heterosexual identity. If Bill Marine shows all of his buddies in the barrack the letter he received from his husband (lets say he is from Mass.) then he can be kicked out of the core for showing his homosexual identity. There is a bias here.

[broncoty]

A good friend of mine is gay and I would rather have him next to me in a firefight than some of the shithead straight guys I know any day.

[Simmons1114]

I can see why ppl dont really like gays, in the army its boils down to the basic thing.

GAYS ARE NOT MANLY

plus they see each other naked a awful lot showering and the such, it would be super fucking creepy.

[Bad Dog]

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[Italian Jew]

I can see why ppl dont really like gays, in the army its boils down to the basic thing.

GAYS ARE NOT MANLY

plus they see each other naked a awful lot showering and the such, it would be super fucking creepy.

Can you stop bumping old threads with your nonsense?

[Caution]

I can see why ppl dont really like gays, in the army its boils down to the basic thing.

GAYS ARE NOT MANLY

plus they see each other naked a awful lot showering and the such, it would be super fucking creepy.

Really? Get the fuck out.

[Cromyth]

I can see why ppl dont really like gays, in the army its boils down to the basic thing.

GAYS ARE NOT MANLY

plus they see each other naked a awful lot showering and the such, it would be super fucking creepy.

.. Wow..

[Simmons1114]

I have nothing against them as people, and sure they can be in the army, the dont ask dont tell policy is good imo.

ps sorry if i bumped a dead thread sometimes i cant tell or dont check

[Caution]

I have nothing against them as people, and sure they can be in the army, the dont ask dont tell policy is good imo.

ps sorry if i bumped a dead thread sometimes i cant tell or dont check

Stating gays aren't manly is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever fucking heard. I wasn't aware that your sexual preference always affects your masculinity.

[Bob Loblaw]

Simmons that was really ignorant...

On a less serious note check out:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ&feature=fvst

My personal view is that if it isn't brought up, and doesn't affect anyone, who cares. Legal said it best with

"I think that the policies as stand are somewhat appropriate as regards to servicemen in uniform, performing their duties. Let me explain:

1. Servicemen/women have a behavior standard they must follow, among it includes limitations on public displays of affection while in uniform, on and off base.

-The same manner by which a private would be admonished for engaging in sexual acts for messing with a woman, than for messing with a man, if the conduct was consented to on all sides. Period.

I see little difference in the nature of the behavior as to action, or result. Someone is acting inappropriately, and should be corrected.

The current rule pretty much admonishes said first private, while firing from work, dismissing, or "drumming out" the second.


2. Gay people, as far as I am concerned, in their PERSONAL LIVES, outside of when in uniform, in their own affairs SHOULD be allowed to carry on as they would otherwise.

- Here is the rub, their personal lives, in the military, are all but nonexistent. The other countries that "allow" gays in the military also have strict rules regarding in uniform fraternization, and outward displays of affection, political leaning, and ideological statement... this means that those two gay guys in the Israeli army may go out for ONE interview and say X, Y, or Z, with permission of their leaders... BUT, they are not prancing around in the San Fransisco parade in an inappropriate manner which violates regulation.

Homosexuals need to realize that many times, their "community' seeks to force their lifestyle on surrounding persons, to FORCE acceptance. Flaming homos, in my eyes, are no different than slutty whores, or douchebag former frat boys with the 3xs shirt with 5 collars popped and the backwards visors, dropping roofies into people's drinks... its inappropriate behavior.

Tolerance is a requirement in this country, but acceptance is not required... and they need to come to grips with this.

3. The current rule in the states is essentially "Do not ask about the sexuality of soldier, and soldier will not tell their sexuality, do outward gestures of sexuality, and/or act inappropriately". In other words, act according to regular standards of living in a place of business.

-I believe this rule should be amended to require the soldier himself/herself to act inappropriately... you would not believe how influential hearsay can be with these issues in the military.

-This being the case, perhaps soldiers who are gay should realize they don't have it all that bad here... no one is killing them, or kicking them out for BEING gay, that is a political twist of the situation, they get kicked out for being a flamer... which IS a reasonable reaction to behavior that can affect morale.

All the above being as is, I think perhaps the best thing to do is to relax the policy where OTHER people SAY "X is Y" and base it more on X's direct conduct.

Lastly, Re soldier kicked out, he came screaming out of the closet like a banshee. He bought himself that one."

[XeNo]

I'm pretty sure it's the same reason they don't allow guys in the girls locker room in school, or let them go to P.E. with them.

[Repeat]

Didn't see this when it came around the first time.

Anyway, as long as the gays in question can do the same amount of work and fight equally, I'd be down with it.

I'm just sayin, but I think it could be a good thing to be fighting next to someone that thinks you're cute -- they're gonna fight a whole hell of a lot harder to keep both of your asses (no pun intended) safe. Think about it.

[Jewpiter]

I've been in the army for 5 years and I can tell you one thing for certain. Straight guys act 100x gayer than the real gay guys.

[Simmons1114]

these walls of text frighten me

[Repeat]

these walls of text frighten me

Too much for you, huh? Would pictures help? Probably not a good idea for this topic, though.

[Simmons1114]

Bob Loblaw thats so much text i cant really read it all, but what you say is true.

When i said gays are not manly i implied they could not do manly things what i meant to say. Is they chose to do effeminate things often. Plus i am not pulling crap out of my ass my brother is in the Army.

PS if i insulted any gay sg members i apoligize, it is not my intention to make anyone feel bad.

[Caution]

or let them go to P.E. with them.

Yeah they do.


Plus i am not pulling crap out of my ass my brother is in the Army.

That has about 0 to do with anything. Get first hand experience / statistics that say all gay men are feminine and then come back to talk. I'll be waiting.

[Simmons1114]

I dont like to get into politics. So im just gonna shut up on this from now on.

[Sgt_Church]

I get the funny feeling that omar might actually be a stereotype of an American. Stupid and pointless.

But anyway. I think it's all in parenthood. Nothing can be done for this generation, it's too fucked up and ignorant.

If parents teach kids about respect and accepting someones opinions we should have no problem in the next 20-30 years, I mean think of it this way.

We went from "omg it's a black man! Let's make him farm cotton for the rest of his life!!" to President Obama. am sure we'll get to a point where people will look at the past and just lol upon our ignorance.

As to the "don't ask don't tell" policy, it's a good a protective system to prevent them from friendly firing Red-Necks but on the other hand they have to be in hiding, which makes it Un-American because they can't stand for what they believe openly.

fuck man, am getting too frustrated over this nonsense, gtg hug some trees and recycle

Epic Win of all posts

This also Wins :3

I've been in the army for 5 years and I can tell you one thing for certain. Straight guys act 100x gayer than the real gay guys.

[trakaill]

I've been in the army for 5 years and I can tell you one thing for certain. Straight guys act 100x gayer than the real gay guys.

Same in Christian high school for that matters!!!


Didn't see this when it came around the first time.

Anyway, as long as the gays in question can do the same amount of work and fight equally, I'd be down with it.

I'm just sayin, but I think it could be a good thing to be fighting next to someone that thinks you're cute -- they're gonna fight a whole hell of a lot harder to keep both of your asses (no pun intended) safe. Think about it.

I loled and its definitely possible!! I still dont see the big deal... gays are most times fun people to hang out with!!!